verses read: Jeremiah 35
prayer: 5 minutes
Was hit by a bad piece of malware. Knocked out my computer for a good 3 hours. Thankfully I’ve gotten it back online. Well, lesson learnt. Anyway, it just goes to show that my computer is in dire need of a complete format, hopefully that will take out what needs to be taken out. Will do so after the exams; and especially after I’m done correcting my thesis!
Friday, March 31, 2006
Thursday, March 30, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 34:8-22
prayer: 5 minutes
Today is a day to remember. It started of pretty bad, I was honestly feeling quite depressed with I woke up this morning. But then I read Shaun’s blog; really perked me up a lot. Nice funny post; I’m really beginning to understand why laugher is the best medicine sometimes. Look up; not down.
I don’t know what possessed me in the afternoon; though my test was at 3pm. Suddenly at 1.30pm, it suddenly dawned on me that it was at 2pm! Thank God! I made it to the test venue with more than enough time to spare. The test wasn’t that fantastic though.
The best part of the day was the forum organised by the Political Association. It was really entertaining and really fun to listen to the opposition in person. I can’t wait for the election. Hopefully it will be in June and not May!
I suddenly thought of Min Yin today. Thought I saw her when I saw someone in the hospital that looked like her. How that came across, I don’t really know. I wonder if I will get the chance to meet her again. I would really like to.
prayer: 5 minutes
Today is a day to remember. It started of pretty bad, I was honestly feeling quite depressed with I woke up this morning. But then I read Shaun’s blog; really perked me up a lot. Nice funny post; I’m really beginning to understand why laugher is the best medicine sometimes. Look up; not down.
I don’t know what possessed me in the afternoon; though my test was at 3pm. Suddenly at 1.30pm, it suddenly dawned on me that it was at 2pm! Thank God! I made it to the test venue with more than enough time to spare. The test wasn’t that fantastic though.
The best part of the day was the forum organised by the Political Association. It was really entertaining and really fun to listen to the opposition in person. I can’t wait for the election. Hopefully it will be in June and not May!
I suddenly thought of Min Yin today. Thought I saw her when I saw someone in the hospital that looked like her. How that came across, I don’t really know. I wonder if I will get the chance to meet her again. I would really like to.
Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Tagboard replies (edit #1)
Edit: Thanks to Jacko, who recorded down the missing posts, I've been able to construct some of the missing posts.
This was previously the "Story so far" post. Like I said, I feel that I need to add some things of my own to some of the points raise, so here it is. I've posted in yellow so that you know what I've written.
If you have anything to add, please use the "comments" function rather than post on the tagboard. Like I said previously as well; I will conclude this matter at the next One Voice Bible Study on 1 April; all are welcome to come.
Clayton: Want to get together a group of "jumpers" during YM to allow a change in the "stoney" state every Sunday morning?
Natalie: A group of jumpers?
Clayton: “Jumpers” as in people who will move the crowd to jump with them. I think that just Nicholas alone won’t do… remember TOFU? haha… something like that…
Rachel: But you can’t just 'get' jumpers, that's so insincere don't you think? I think you should just make sure those who want to be enthusiastic for God have the courage to do so. Me for instance!
Clayton: To Rachel, there're people who want to jump but are scared (I know one) because of how the crowd perceives him. By asking people, if they are enthusiastic they will do so. But if they not then, well, let it be…
Natalie: I kind of agree with Rachel, you can't just 'get' jumpers. It’s like planting people in the crowd to lift up their hands, so others will lift their hands; seems pretty contrived to me.
Clayton: To Natalie, its like asking those who want to jump to jump because usually they that everyone else is so quiet. So, in the end, they also don’t jump. Worship becomes restrained for them feel that it is unnatural. Some people are like, “If I jump, I will be sticking out so it is better not to do so”.
Up to this point, I believe I have answered everything in my previous post.
Daryl: I have nothing against jumping during worship. It expresses one's joy when singing praise to God. But I don't think we should plant people in the crowd. People have different responses to worship. If you feel like you are suppressed by people not jumping, why don't you SIT IN FRONT? That way, there's no one in your view to discourage you.
Yup, standing in one corner and jumping half-heartedly isn't exactly the way God wants you to worship Him.
Rachel: I will see how it is this Sunday, but if I really feel like jumping, I will.
Denver: Let me asked you guys, do you know why you jump in services and worship? (reflect on the question before I put my own words)
Clayton: To Daryl, its not planting people in the crowd, it’s like encouraging those who want to jump to jump. Like usually, people who want to raise their hands in worship don't bcause they scared they stick out.
Natalie: But Clayton, aren't there already people who naturally raise their hands during worship already? I think it’s a natural thing. Almost like an instinct to want to reach out and yearn for more.
Clayton: To Natalie, its only a minority. I realised that during worship, people are too self-conscious. That is what is hindering them. They are very conscious about what others think of them.
Like I said previously, if you are self-conscious, you have a choice, to shrink back in fear. Or step out in faith. This is YOUR choice, not those around you.
Natalie: So, other people jumping and raising hands will make them less self-conscious? Is that your case?
Clayton: To Natalie, its like (I’m not very good with words) other people raising hands/jumping, will make them 'feel' less self-conscious as "others are already doing it". Also, those jumping people are not posers, as in they are already doing what they are doing naturally. Compare with the situation where they are people jumping and stuff to one which is filled with "stoners", which one is more disturbing during worship?
If there are people disturbing you during worship; then I think you yourself are not really worshippping God whole heartedly.
Kangwei: There is no one way to worship God. I’m sure what we want is for them to be genuine and comfortable. Don’t jump for the sake of making it alive which is superficial. Let’s say during worship, I’m stoning or just simply singing along. But I’m actually genuinely praising and thanking Him constantly on the inside. How?
Natalie: I agree with Kangwei. You can’t tell if the person is worshipping or not. Only that person knows. For all you know, the ‘stoner’ down there is more 'alive' than the jumpers.
Let me add, there are times when you just don't feel like singing. I've felt like that a lot in the last 5 months; and if you look at me during worship sometimes, you won't even see me moving my lips. So I guess I'm one of your stoners right?
There are times when people are going through massive hurt and pain in their lives and to be honest they just don't even want to sing. Does this mean they are not worshippping God? I think I will let God be the judge of that.
Clayton: Response to Kangwei, It’s easier to switch off that way. Some may be genuine, but others just switch off.
This statement sounds quite sweeping and judgemental to me.
Clayton: To Natalie, you will never know because it’s like ... no one can tell? By the way, I will be at the back tomorrow (got camera duty). Will jump, unless the song is like…
On the other hand, this statement seems to contradict your "some may be genuine, but others just switch of" statement. Since "no one can tell", then how can you tell if others have really switched of?
Sam Phua: I think different people worship in different ways. It doesn't matter how it’s done whether it’s just standing or jumping, but more importantly that they worship with their hearts, rather than to just follow the crowd.Clayton, seriously, if you're just jumping because the song suits, don't bother.
Kangwei: Aiyo… Clayton, you will jump unless the song is like? What? So you jump only when the song suits your mood?! Ultimately, switching off or not, can tell or cannot tell. You have to answer to HIM. It is your very own personal relationship with God.
This is precisely what I mean by worshipping the songs itself. You only jump when the songs is "suitable" for jumping. (more below)
Isaac: Don't worry. Tomorrow sure can jump. Can do almost anything you want really. As long as it's worshiping God.
Yup, any song also can jump. In fact; if you want to do anything else (and of course you truly feel led by God to do) also can.
Daryl: Let us edify one another and not let this war of attrition lead to dissention. Clayton and everyone else have good reasons for their views. I agree with Kangwei, it’s your personal relationship with God. If u really want to jump, but don't because shy… then that’s wrong. Vice Versa
*insert posts on Nike shoes that fall apart*
Sheldon: Ok seriously, jumping is an issue which people shouldn’t be really concerned about. Leave it be. If everybody wants to jump, it'll happen.
Felicia: yup, definitely its one's own wishes, and one's own way of worshipping
Georgiana: Clayton, I seriously suggest that you consider carefully before bringing up topics that would only cause you to appear very stupid.
Clayton: To Kangwei, you do not jump if they are playing hymn-like right or something 'reflective', because most probably I will be thrown out for "causing trouble"!!
And may I know who is going to throw you out? Why cannot jump if singing hymns? If you feel led to, if you really feel joyful in the Lord, the only person stopping you is yourself.
Bertrand: To Natalie, if anything, this debate has challenged the people who talked to stick to their words today. Create your own personal atmosphere of worship n invite God in. when that happens, the people who DONT EVEN know God will feel His power, much less the ones that already know and love Him.
Clayton: to Bertrand, its true that all may know His power, but the main crux is whether we will be able to pass it on and share this love. Do you realise that it’s those "new ones" are more "for it" than those "older ones". Complacency will tend to set in. As in, how many actually bother to do their QT on a regular basis? (the “ones” refers to “Christians”)
Firstly, your statement sounds quite judgemental again. Next, do you do your QT on a regular basis? Like I said when I spoke last year, your times of corporate worship should be an overflow of your times of personal worship. If your times of personal worship is not even regular; and you come on Sunday and jump like a kangaroo, then I think you are no different from a Pharisee. Looks good on the outside, but nothing on the inside. And to me, it tells me that you live your faith only on Sunday. What happened to the other days?
Next, since you mentioned something about evangelism. You are completely correct; we need to pass on our convictions. But guess what, if you only practice your faith on Sunday and in the confines of PMC, but behave no better on any other day; like encouraging everyone around you to cross-dress (see Clayton's blog for the context); I can gurantee you if you bring your friend to church and he sees you jumping up and down, the first thing he will say is "hypocrite". I will talk about this in a later post.
Kangwei: As for today's worship, I think it was great cause people around me sang their hearts out even though there were technical errors. To jump or not, it’s up to you to decide. Whatever floats your boat. Attitude varies from individuals. Nothing to do with the musicians but you alone. You can bluff your way through but again, its your personal relationship with GOD, you answer to HIM only.
Clayton: To Kangwei, I believe that it does take more than 1 person to set an example, just like it takes more than just Nicholas jumping to encourage others who are shy to jump.
Jesus was ONE person who impacted millions of people. So don't underestimate what ONE single person can do.
Elaine: To begin, I do my QT daily. So do many others in YM. And, if one feels called to fall on their knees during singing, are you going to encourage them to jump? No! Similarly, how do you know whether the people around felt called to just stand and clap their hands to worship God rather than to jump? If people truly feel called to jump, then there would not be any boundaries stopping them from worshipping God. After all, it’s their personal form of worship to God. And self-conscious = “Aware of oneself as an individual or of one's own being, actions, or thoughts.” Quoted from www.dictionary.com. In other words, if you are shy of jumping because of the people around you, you are not focusing on God, but yourself.
*insert some missing posts*
This was previously the "Story so far" post. Like I said, I feel that I need to add some things of my own to some of the points raise, so here it is. I've posted in yellow so that you know what I've written.
If you have anything to add, please use the "comments" function rather than post on the tagboard. Like I said previously as well; I will conclude this matter at the next One Voice Bible Study on 1 April; all are welcome to come.
Clayton: Want to get together a group of "jumpers" during YM to allow a change in the "stoney" state every Sunday morning?
Natalie: A group of jumpers?
Clayton: “Jumpers” as in people who will move the crowd to jump with them. I think that just Nicholas alone won’t do… remember TOFU? haha… something like that…
Rachel: But you can’t just 'get' jumpers, that's so insincere don't you think? I think you should just make sure those who want to be enthusiastic for God have the courage to do so. Me for instance!
Clayton: To Rachel, there're people who want to jump but are scared (I know one) because of how the crowd perceives him. By asking people, if they are enthusiastic they will do so. But if they not then, well, let it be…
Natalie: I kind of agree with Rachel, you can't just 'get' jumpers. It’s like planting people in the crowd to lift up their hands, so others will lift their hands; seems pretty contrived to me.
Clayton: To Natalie, its like asking those who want to jump to jump because usually they that everyone else is so quiet. So, in the end, they also don’t jump. Worship becomes restrained for them feel that it is unnatural. Some people are like, “If I jump, I will be sticking out so it is better not to do so”.
Up to this point, I believe I have answered everything in my previous post.
Daryl: I have nothing against jumping during worship. It expresses one's joy when singing praise to God. But I don't think we should plant people in the crowd. People have different responses to worship. If you feel like you are suppressed by people not jumping, why don't you SIT IN FRONT? That way, there's no one in your view to discourage you.
Yup, standing in one corner and jumping half-heartedly isn't exactly the way God wants you to worship Him.
Rachel: I will see how it is this Sunday, but if I really feel like jumping, I will.
Denver: Let me asked you guys, do you know why you jump in services and worship? (reflect on the question before I put my own words)
Clayton: To Daryl, its not planting people in the crowd, it’s like encouraging those who want to jump to jump. Like usually, people who want to raise their hands in worship don't bcause they scared they stick out.
Natalie: But Clayton, aren't there already people who naturally raise their hands during worship already? I think it’s a natural thing. Almost like an instinct to want to reach out and yearn for more.
Clayton: To Natalie, its only a minority. I realised that during worship, people are too self-conscious. That is what is hindering them. They are very conscious about what others think of them.
Like I said previously, if you are self-conscious, you have a choice, to shrink back in fear. Or step out in faith. This is YOUR choice, not those around you.
Natalie: So, other people jumping and raising hands will make them less self-conscious? Is that your case?
Clayton: To Natalie, its like (I’m not very good with words) other people raising hands/jumping, will make them 'feel' less self-conscious as "others are already doing it". Also, those jumping people are not posers, as in they are already doing what they are doing naturally. Compare with the situation where they are people jumping and stuff to one which is filled with "stoners", which one is more disturbing during worship?
If there are people disturbing you during worship; then I think you yourself are not really worshippping God whole heartedly.
Kangwei: There is no one way to worship God. I’m sure what we want is for them to be genuine and comfortable. Don’t jump for the sake of making it alive which is superficial. Let’s say during worship, I’m stoning or just simply singing along. But I’m actually genuinely praising and thanking Him constantly on the inside. How?
Natalie: I agree with Kangwei. You can’t tell if the person is worshipping or not. Only that person knows. For all you know, the ‘stoner’ down there is more 'alive' than the jumpers.
Let me add, there are times when you just don't feel like singing. I've felt like that a lot in the last 5 months; and if you look at me during worship sometimes, you won't even see me moving my lips. So I guess I'm one of your stoners right?
There are times when people are going through massive hurt and pain in their lives and to be honest they just don't even want to sing. Does this mean they are not worshippping God? I think I will let God be the judge of that.
Clayton: Response to Kangwei, It’s easier to switch off that way. Some may be genuine, but others just switch off.
This statement sounds quite sweeping and judgemental to me.
Clayton: To Natalie, you will never know because it’s like ... no one can tell? By the way, I will be at the back tomorrow (got camera duty). Will jump, unless the song is like…
On the other hand, this statement seems to contradict your "some may be genuine, but others just switch of" statement. Since "no one can tell", then how can you tell if others have really switched of?
Sam Phua: I think different people worship in different ways. It doesn't matter how it’s done whether it’s just standing or jumping, but more importantly that they worship with their hearts, rather than to just follow the crowd.Clayton, seriously, if you're just jumping because the song suits, don't bother.
Kangwei: Aiyo… Clayton, you will jump unless the song is like? What? So you jump only when the song suits your mood?! Ultimately, switching off or not, can tell or cannot tell. You have to answer to HIM. It is your very own personal relationship with God.
This is precisely what I mean by worshipping the songs itself. You only jump when the songs is "suitable" for jumping. (more below)
Isaac: Don't worry. Tomorrow sure can jump. Can do almost anything you want really. As long as it's worshiping God.
Yup, any song also can jump. In fact; if you want to do anything else (and of course you truly feel led by God to do) also can.
Daryl: Let us edify one another and not let this war of attrition lead to dissention. Clayton and everyone else have good reasons for their views. I agree with Kangwei, it’s your personal relationship with God. If u really want to jump, but don't because shy… then that’s wrong. Vice Versa
*insert posts on Nike shoes that fall apart*
Sheldon: Ok seriously, jumping is an issue which people shouldn’t be really concerned about. Leave it be. If everybody wants to jump, it'll happen.
Felicia: yup, definitely its one's own wishes, and one's own way of worshipping
Georgiana: Clayton, I seriously suggest that you consider carefully before bringing up topics that would only cause you to appear very stupid.
Clayton: To Kangwei, you do not jump if they are playing hymn-like right or something 'reflective', because most probably I will be thrown out for "causing trouble"!!
And may I know who is going to throw you out? Why cannot jump if singing hymns? If you feel led to, if you really feel joyful in the Lord, the only person stopping you is yourself.
Bertrand: To Natalie, if anything, this debate has challenged the people who talked to stick to their words today. Create your own personal atmosphere of worship n invite God in. when that happens, the people who DONT EVEN know God will feel His power, much less the ones that already know and love Him.
Clayton: to Bertrand, its true that all may know His power, but the main crux is whether we will be able to pass it on and share this love. Do you realise that it’s those "new ones" are more "for it" than those "older ones". Complacency will tend to set in. As in, how many actually bother to do their QT on a regular basis? (the “ones” refers to “Christians”)
Firstly, your statement sounds quite judgemental again. Next, do you do your QT on a regular basis? Like I said when I spoke last year, your times of corporate worship should be an overflow of your times of personal worship. If your times of personal worship is not even regular; and you come on Sunday and jump like a kangaroo, then I think you are no different from a Pharisee. Looks good on the outside, but nothing on the inside. And to me, it tells me that you live your faith only on Sunday. What happened to the other days?
Next, since you mentioned something about evangelism. You are completely correct; we need to pass on our convictions. But guess what, if you only practice your faith on Sunday and in the confines of PMC, but behave no better on any other day; like encouraging everyone around you to cross-dress (see Clayton's blog for the context); I can gurantee you if you bring your friend to church and he sees you jumping up and down, the first thing he will say is "hypocrite". I will talk about this in a later post.
Kangwei: As for today's worship, I think it was great cause people around me sang their hearts out even though there were technical errors. To jump or not, it’s up to you to decide. Whatever floats your boat. Attitude varies from individuals. Nothing to do with the musicians but you alone. You can bluff your way through but again, its your personal relationship with GOD, you answer to HIM only.
Clayton: To Kangwei, I believe that it does take more than 1 person to set an example, just like it takes more than just Nicholas jumping to encourage others who are shy to jump.
Jesus was ONE person who impacted millions of people. So don't underestimate what ONE single person can do.
Elaine: To begin, I do my QT daily. So do many others in YM. And, if one feels called to fall on their knees during singing, are you going to encourage them to jump? No! Similarly, how do you know whether the people around felt called to just stand and clap their hands to worship God rather than to jump? If people truly feel called to jump, then there would not be any boundaries stopping them from worshipping God. After all, it’s their personal form of worship to God. And self-conscious = “Aware of oneself as an individual or of one's own being, actions, or thoughts.” Quoted from www.dictionary.com. In other words, if you are shy of jumping because of the people around you, you are not focusing on God, but yourself.
*insert some missing posts*
Jacko: I agree with what Sam and Shel said; if one wants to jump, he or she must be willing. If you encourage one to jump; he or she might do it unwillingly.
Clayton: To Elaine, the jumping issue, it's usually the case that people feel discouraged to jump when all others aren't doing so. Isn't this self-consciousness? Try telling a youth to jump during YM and during camp, the response is very very different even though all other factors are kept constant, yet the response is different.
Good point! Why? Riding the Sine Curve right? (read my August 2005 archives). This was precisely what Kevin spoke about when he preached and related to what Daryl talked about when he spoke to the YM about worship.
Clayton: To Sheldon, for some, stoning may be their way of worship, for others it is just 'switching off', see?
You said, "easier to switch off that way. Some may be genuine, but others just switch off...you will never know because it’s like ... no one can tell"
And on your own tagboard you said, "...it can be very disturbing when everyone is “switching off"..."
So now, SUPPOSE everyone in the YM is using "stoning" as a way to worship God. But since (in your own words) you said you cannot tell the difference, you think that everyone has switched off. Can I say that you can be disturbed by those who use "stoning" as a way of worship? So there is a possibility that you can be disturbed by those who are truly worship God? Now that is quite a disturbing thing.
(Side note: since the topic of writting argumentative essays was brought up, please avoid doing such things when you write such essays. You have just constructed an argument that can go in two ways, either you concede that it is inconsistent, or you bite the bullet and accept all your premises and concede a ridiculous conclusion.)
Sam Phua: To Clayton, yes, that's true, but then in that case people are really just focusing on their self-consciousness than on God.
Clayton: To Sam Phua, "encouraging" is very different from "forcing". Encouraging serves only as a boost, the final decision whether to jump or not is still in their hands. Also, you do not force people to jump right? The jumping is for those who want to jump but are focusing on "self-consciousness" to let go and "worship".
Clayton: To Jacko, if people are not forced, why would they do it unwillingly?
Jacko: To Clayton, but people shouldn't even feel discourage to jump. Why must people "jump first then we jump"? No sense right? You see Clayton, if you encourage others by jumping yourself, to you it may seem to be encouraging, but too others its like forcing. Example, you are the quiet type. Then besides you, there is me and elaine, the hyper ones, then if Elaine and I jump. You will feel that there's a pressure to jump. So you will tend to jump, isn't that unwillingness?
Sam Phua: I agree with Jacko's last tag. I still stand on my argument that if the youths want to jump, they will jump. The youths just shouldn't be inclined to jump if they don't want to. I know of one person who was around during TOFU last year, while the other youths were jumping, he was just standing there. To be honest, even if I see the whole congregation jumping, I wouldn't be inclined to do so, because it is not the way i want to worship God that day.
Clayton: To Jacko, since you said it, haven't you realised that the common attitude among youth is "he/she do then i do?".
Sam Phua: To Clayton, their attitude may be that, but there will come a time when they will outgrow that attitude. No doubt it's not good to have that kind of attitude, but then again, "you can bring the horse to the water, but you can't force it to drink."
Clayton: To Sam Phua and Jacko, Sam's example just reinstated my point. While you may be encouraging everyone to jump, others may not feel the pressure to jump? See my point when I sais, the final choice is still in your hands? If there was "pressure", won't that youth be jumping already?
Sam Phua: To Clayton, encourage, yes. but not by putting "jumpers" in the congregation and expecting the youths to follow. That would be as good as pressurizing!
Jacko: To Clayton, you see, if that's the common attitude, then we SHOULD change it. You see, if "she do then I do = you don't do I don't do". This shows the insincerity of oneself.
Sam Phua: Agreed. I think we all have a part to play in changing the youths' attitude. But things like this do take time.
VERY GOOD! In that case, go for church camp okay? Since you don't need to follow other youths in order to be the first one to sign up!
Jacko: I agree with Sam. And clay, "if's there pressure, won't that youth be jumping already?" it's just so worng! Thats is = to sort of forcing already.
Clayton: to Sam Phua, if there are few jumping, then "he do, then i do" will seem normal. See? Things like this do take time, but you're not going to see some young adults jumping in the 11am service isn't it? Won't that be too late?
Sorry ah... but you said above that this attitude is bad... now you are implying that it should be the norm? Make up your mind!
Clayton: To Jacko, that isn't "forcing". Because (using sam's example), if that's forcing, then that lone youth would be jumping already!
Jacko: You some sort meant that.. it doesnt seem normal to me.. (“there are few jumping, then” = “he do, then I do” will become the norm) --> this either doesn’t make sense to me or it doesn’t seems normal
Clayton: To Jacko, as in change the "he do then I do" attitude to "since he is doing, I should be also doing" also, if you think that its normal , then jump with the rest of those jumping. If you do not find it normal, then hold your feet.
hehehe... this kind of attitude is also called, "monkey see, monkey do". We are Pentecost Methodist Church Youth Ministry, not the Singapore Zoological Garden's Primate Kingdom.
And the following is from Clayton’s tagboard.
Natalie: So why is there a need to jump?
Elaine: If people want to jump they will. There is no NEED to jump.
Jacq: Sometimes I think you don’t have a brain. Whether people jump or not is their problem. Cannot say that our YM is too conservative!
By the way, our YM is quite unconservative for a Methodist church. But that's not the point. I can assure you, if a small but vocal minority become "ultra-unconservative" we will lose more youth than gain.
One of these days, I will share on the state of the YM on an average Sunday about 6 years ago. I will try this with photographic evidence. Then you will know that we've indeed come along way.
Clayton: To Natalie, the need to jump, it’s because some people will “switch off" in the course of the worship session. Ask Yuehao what happened on the 2nd day of WAM camp worship.
Natalie: But will other people jumping around make them 'switch back on' again?
Clayton: To Natalie, it is less harder for them to 'switch off' or start talking amongst themselves. (Editor’s note: I did not edit this post, because you are actually saying that it is easier for them to switch off if they jump… read it carefully)
Clayton: To Natalie (cond’t), it can be very disturbing when everyone is “switching off”. Ask YueHao, or others who went for the 2nd day of WAM.
Natalie: Personally I feel if you switch off, you switch off. Other people jumping wouldn’t have any effect nevertheless. I mean, if I were stoning away, and I see people jumping, I wouldn’t feel inclined to jump. And I’m curious now, are you targeting those who are self-conscious, or those who switch off and get stoned?
Clayton: To Natalie, both parties? As in, if you switch off, and some others around all switch off, it makes the situation worse isn’t it?
Natalie: My point is, if you're alive, you're alive. If you're dead, you're dead. Even if I’m dead, and I see people jump, I still wont be inclined to jump; and vice versa. So, do you want to plant jumpers, or encourage them to jump? You seem very confused in your own case.
Clayton: To Natalie, it serves as a form of encouragement; not planting jumpers, but encouraging people to jump. (people like Nicholas, they are always doing that.)
Natalie: You said PLANTING jumpers in your original post. Possibly that’s why everyone is on your case. Encouraging and planting are two very different things. I’m all for encouraging, but planting is a different thing.
Felicia: I think its very insincere if people are jumping because of encouragers. And other people might actually feel better to worship silently. It still is up to one's own view to decide how they are going to worship. Jumping might make others feel closer to God, but it all comes down to the individual.
*insert posts on me telling nat that clayton didn't use the word "plant" etc etc*
Natalie: But I still am quite apprehensive about 'getting jumpers'.
Clayton: To Felicia, I believe it will take more than encouragers to make them jump. Having jumping people is to allow those who want to jump but scared to jump jump. See my point?
I would like to add one more last thing. It is very easy to worship God; to jump, to sing at the top of our voices when we are in a good mood. Or when we are riding on some spiritual high. It is during these good times that our faith becomes slack and we begin to lose our dependence on God. Do you think He really wants that?
On the other hand; when we are able to praise God and sing His praise, lift our hands and yes... even jump up and down like kangaroos during the BAD times. When we can truly truly worship God in the midst of sorrow and pain; yeah, then I think you have a firm relationship with God.
Let me give you an example, I give you a few identical looking teabags. The only thing different is the quality of the tea leaves they contain. How to tell which one has good leaves? Pour HOT water into them and drink right?
In the same way; our lives, which we are supposed to offer to God as living sacrifices (this is our act of worship). How can a person tell if we have a strong foundation with God? It's how we respond during the bad times that count.
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verses read: Jeremiah 34:1-7
prayer: 5 minutes
Had my medical check up today. Went fine, except that I have to return again tomorrow for a blood test. I really don’t like needles, and I had to have my fingers pricked twice today! That’s was for eating breakfast early in the morning! Have to fast for 8 hours at least in order to get a good result tomorrow; hopefully it won’t take too long.
Have a BI test tomorrow, listening comprehension. Not had one of those kind of tests in a long time. Didn’t score to well in my last test, but then I’m going to graduate, so I don’t really need a fantastic score.
*rest of this post is in my private journal*
prayer: 5 minutes
Had my medical check up today. Went fine, except that I have to return again tomorrow for a blood test. I really don’t like needles, and I had to have my fingers pricked twice today! That’s was for eating breakfast early in the morning! Have to fast for 8 hours at least in order to get a good result tomorrow; hopefully it won’t take too long.
Have a BI test tomorrow, listening comprehension. Not had one of those kind of tests in a long time. Didn’t score to well in my last test, but then I’m going to graduate, so I don’t really need a fantastic score.
*rest of this post is in my private journal*
Sunday, March 26, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 32
prayer: 5 minutes
The new multi-purpose hall is freezing cold. With 8 new air-conditioners, everyone will just freeze in a matter of minutes! But the good thing is that the place is a lot more spacious! And that’s really good.
This coming week, I will need to revise quite a lot of my thesis. Hopefully I can make my final submission before the break week begins, then I can really slack.
prayer: 5 minutes
The new multi-purpose hall is freezing cold. With 8 new air-conditioners, everyone will just freeze in a matter of minutes! But the good thing is that the place is a lot more spacious! And that’s really good.
This coming week, I will need to revise quite a lot of my thesis. Hopefully I can make my final submission before the break week begins, then I can really slack.
Saturday, March 25, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 31
prayer: 5 minutes
Today was a very long day. The Da Vinci code talk was excellent, I cannot say it wasn’t biased, but it sure answered a lot of questions. It was super funny as well. Enjoyable. Tomorrow is going to be a long day, so will the next few days. Got a lot of things I need to re-do for my thesis. Well; have a good one month to do the editing.
prayer: 5 minutes
Today was a very long day. The Da Vinci code talk was excellent, I cannot say it wasn’t biased, but it sure answered a lot of questions. It was super funny as well. Enjoyable. Tomorrow is going to be a long day, so will the next few days. Got a lot of things I need to re-do for my thesis. Well; have a good one month to do the editing.
Friday, March 24, 2006
240306
verses read: Jeremiah 30
prayer: 5 minutes
Finally; an entire portion of the book that isn’t all doom and gloom. This is a chapter of great comfort; and my heart even now feels comforted just by reading it. Read something I didn’t want to read, but well, I can’t do anything about it. Well; vows are vows and this one is worth keeping.
Had my honours project presentation today. The presentation itself was okay, save for parts that I had to omit due to some fallacies in my proofs. But, the interview was a killer; was stuck with the two Profs for a good 75 minutes. And I left quite shaken as I took such a long time in answering some of their questions. Was even shaking during my workout in the gym after that; had a huge dinner after that to drown my sorrows.
Am leading worship this Sunday. Have the honour of being the first to lead worship in this new hall. But then, how do you lead worship this Sunday? On a Sunday when the mood in church will be very sombre. I guess we all can take comfort in the knowledge that death is not the end of life; just a break. We go to a place where sickness will no longer exist.
Bought another new album this week; Graham Kendrick’s “Do something beautiful”. It’s a very fresh sound from him, and very inspiring, including a complete re-arrangement of “O for a thousand tongues”. Feel very inspired now after listening to “Facedown” and this album.
prayer: 5 minutes
Finally; an entire portion of the book that isn’t all doom and gloom. This is a chapter of great comfort; and my heart even now feels comforted just by reading it. Read something I didn’t want to read, but well, I can’t do anything about it. Well; vows are vows and this one is worth keeping.
Had my honours project presentation today. The presentation itself was okay, save for parts that I had to omit due to some fallacies in my proofs. But, the interview was a killer; was stuck with the two Profs for a good 75 minutes. And I left quite shaken as I took such a long time in answering some of their questions. Was even shaking during my workout in the gym after that; had a huge dinner after that to drown my sorrows.
Am leading worship this Sunday. Have the honour of being the first to lead worship in this new hall. But then, how do you lead worship this Sunday? On a Sunday when the mood in church will be very sombre. I guess we all can take comfort in the knowledge that death is not the end of life; just a break. We go to a place where sickness will no longer exist.
Bought another new album this week; Graham Kendrick’s “Do something beautiful”. It’s a very fresh sound from him, and very inspiring, including a complete re-arrangement of “O for a thousand tongues”. Feel very inspired now after listening to “Facedown” and this album.
Thursday, March 23, 2006
Five Hundred Twenty Five Thousand Six Hundred Minutes
Seasons of Love
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
Five hundred twenty five thousand moments so dear
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure, measure a year?
In daylights? In sunsets? In midnights? In cups of coffee?
In inches? In miles? In laughter? In strife?
In five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure a year in the life?
How about love? How about love?
How about love? Measure in love.
Seasons of love. Seasons of love.
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
Five hundred twenty five thousand journeys to plan
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure the life of a woman or a man?
In truths that she learnt?
Or in times that he cried?
In bridges he burned?
Or the way that she died?
It's time now to sing out
Tho the story never ends
Let's celebrate remember a year in the life of friends
(C) OST - Rent
Dedicated to all who particiapted in Falling Spinning 2005. Marking 525600 minutes of memories.
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
Five hundred twenty five thousand moments so dear
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure, measure a year?
In daylights? In sunsets? In midnights? In cups of coffee?
In inches? In miles? In laughter? In strife?
In five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure a year in the life?
How about love? How about love?
How about love? Measure in love.
Seasons of love. Seasons of love.
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
Five hundred twenty five thousand journeys to plan
Five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes
How do you measure the life of a woman or a man?
In truths that she learnt?
Or in times that he cried?
In bridges he burned?
Or the way that she died?
It's time now to sing out
Tho the story never ends
Let's celebrate remember a year in the life of friends
(C) OST - Rent
Dedicated to all who particiapted in Falling Spinning 2005. Marking 525600 minutes of memories.
Monday, March 20, 2006
Why jump?
It is apparent from the posts on all the tagboards and blogs so far that everyone is divided in this issue. But then again, what is the actually issue at hand? To me I see a few things being discussed.
Firstly, whether it is okay to jump during worship.
Secondly, whether it is alright to have a group of “jumpers” to “encourage” those who want to jump, but are afraid to do so, to do so.
Let me start my reply to all the tagboard posts by saying that I’m actually quite disappointed that NO ONE referred to anything Biblical when trying to sort out such a thorny issue. Not one Bible verse appeared.
So; let me address what I think needs to be addressed and can be addressed using a blog. I’ve decided that since this issue has blown up so big; I make an open invitation to whoever is interested to an open debate during the next One Voice bible study on 1 April. And this is not an April Fool’s joke. And we will close the matter there once and for all.
Firstly, is it okay to jump during worship. Short answer, YES.
Long answer:
“And David was dancing with all his might, and David was wearing a linen ephod. So David and all the house of Israel were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouting and the sound of the trumpet.” 2 Samuel 6:14-15
“You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; You have loosed my sackcloth and girded me with gladness” – Psalms 30:11
“Let them praise His name with dancing; Let them sing praises to Him with timbrel and lyre.” – Psalms 149:3
“Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe” – Psalm 150:4
The Bible, and especially the book of Psalms a number of verses that talk about praising the Lord with dancing. It was for this reason; I saw a need to begin a dance team under One Voice.
Some of us obviously cannot really dance very well; so we jump as a form of dancing. Fine enough. There is no reason why we cannot dance when we are joyful in the Lord for what He did for us at Calvary. So, jump during worship, there is nothing wrong. If you are sincere about it; I encourage you to do so.
However, admittedly some people will be uncomfortable with such an expression of worship. To me; it is precisely for this reason that there are so many denominations and ways to worship God. Whether it’s through the liturgy (like 9am service) or in a contemporary manner; the ways to corporately worship God have evolved and become so varied; it can suit anyone. And let me jump the gun a little by saying that God isn’t particular to how we worship Him; through dance or singing or by some other means, that’s not what He really wants.
Now that that’s out of the way; let go to the issue that everyone is waiting to hear about. Whether to have a group of “jumpers” to “encourage” those who want to jump, but are afraid to do so, to do so.
Let me start by saying that the opposite of faith is fear.
If someone is afraid that people will laugh at him or her when he or she jumps and succumbs to that fear then that is a display of unfaithfulness. I hope that gives everyone something to think about.
Let’s go back to passage above; the one from 2 Samuel 6 is precisely where the lines “I’ll be come even more undignified than this” comes from. That’s the inspiration for Matt Redman’s “Undignified” which we sang at Fusion; to which Reginald and gang added in some pretty crazy actions.
King David went crazy that day; when the ark was brought into Jerusalem; a linen ephod was like something like the undergarments of that day; King David was literally in his underwear! He went nuts; but did he care about the people staring at him? HE DIDN’T!
Did people ridicule Him? YES THEY DID! In fact; it was his own wife who despised him! That was when David said,
“I will be more lightly esteemed than this and will be humble in my own eyes, but with the maids of whom you have spoken, with them I will be distinguished” – 2 Samuel 6:22
And what happened to his wife? God cursed her to be barren and she died without bearing any children for King David.
I like what Rachel posted, “But you can’t just 'get' jumpers, that's so insincere don't you think? I think you should just make sure those who want to be enthusiastic for God have the courage to do so. Me for instance!”
And she overcame her fear didn’t she?
Courage is not the lack of fear; but the ability to overcome fear. And how do you do that? With faith. If you are afraid that people are going to laugh at you; then know that your dance offering will be honoured by God; and the laughter of those who mock you will receive their due from God; just like David’s wife.
There is a flip side to just dancing before the Lord; and this part is between you and God. God is the only one (besides yourself) who knows if you are really dancing for Him; or for the sake of showing off.
“I hate, I reject your festivals nor do I delight in your solemn assemblies. Even though you offer up to Me burnt offerings, I will not accept them; And I will not even look at the peace offerings of your fatlings. Take away from Me the noise of your songs; I will not even listen to the sound of your harps. But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.” – Amos 5:21-24
God is pretty angry in this passage don’t you think? Why? Reading my study Bible; it was mainly because Israel had been unfaithful to God. And if you continue reading that passage above; you will realise that when the Israelites were wondering in the dessert for 40 years, while they claimed to “worship God”, they also carried around idols of other gods.
What do we carry around as idols during corporate musical worship?
If I were to ask all of you this question I can predict answers like, “Homework lah, parents lah, money lah… etc etc”
Let me tell you what I think is an idol nowadays. The songs themselves.
Why the songs? Because a lot of us have a “favourite worship song” and when the song comes up during worship we get very excited and tend to be a bit more “enthusiastic”. I’ve led the song “running after you” twice in my life. Both time; when the intro is being played, I hear a loud, “WOO HOO!!!” from the congregation of youth. Why? Favourite song right? Easy to jump to right?
We have made the songs our idols; the lyrics, the 8th-beat clapping, the weird clapping timing (like after the bridge of “One Way”), the actions (like “This is how we overcome” or “Pharaoh Pharaoh”). What happens? We sometimes tend to concentrate more on the clapping and the lyrics etc rather than God. No wonder God “rejects” the “noise of our songs”.
I rather have 1000 youths who are sincerely stoning away than 1 youth who is jumping up and down but doing so insincerely.
So; to those who “want to jump but afraid to jump”. The onus lies on you to overcome your fear rather than a group of “encouragers”; this is church not the National Day Parade. We worship the Audience of One rather than being a “mass participation audience”.
And to those who want to “jump for the sake of jumping”. Think again. The Bible says God will not honour your sacrifice of praise. Better for you to sincerely stone away and contemplate with God first before you think of jumping again.
So in short, should we have a group of jumpers to encourage us to jump? I rather be encouraged by the songs we sing and the musical offerings we raise to God as acts of genuine worship.
This is my personal answer to the original questions that were brought up. However, many other smaller issues were raised in all the posts. I will attempt to address them in other posts. Unmoderated comments enabled.
Firstly, whether it is okay to jump during worship.
Secondly, whether it is alright to have a group of “jumpers” to “encourage” those who want to jump, but are afraid to do so, to do so.
Let me start my reply to all the tagboard posts by saying that I’m actually quite disappointed that NO ONE referred to anything Biblical when trying to sort out such a thorny issue. Not one Bible verse appeared.
So; let me address what I think needs to be addressed and can be addressed using a blog. I’ve decided that since this issue has blown up so big; I make an open invitation to whoever is interested to an open debate during the next One Voice bible study on 1 April. And this is not an April Fool’s joke. And we will close the matter there once and for all.
Firstly, is it okay to jump during worship. Short answer, YES.
Long answer:
“And David was dancing with all his might, and David was wearing a linen ephod. So David and all the house of Israel were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouting and the sound of the trumpet.” 2 Samuel 6:14-15
“You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; You have loosed my sackcloth and girded me with gladness” – Psalms 30:11
“Let them praise His name with dancing; Let them sing praises to Him with timbrel and lyre.” – Psalms 149:3
“Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe” – Psalm 150:4
The Bible, and especially the book of Psalms a number of verses that talk about praising the Lord with dancing. It was for this reason; I saw a need to begin a dance team under One Voice.
Some of us obviously cannot really dance very well; so we jump as a form of dancing. Fine enough. There is no reason why we cannot dance when we are joyful in the Lord for what He did for us at Calvary. So, jump during worship, there is nothing wrong. If you are sincere about it; I encourage you to do so.
However, admittedly some people will be uncomfortable with such an expression of worship. To me; it is precisely for this reason that there are so many denominations and ways to worship God. Whether it’s through the liturgy (like 9am service) or in a contemporary manner; the ways to corporately worship God have evolved and become so varied; it can suit anyone. And let me jump the gun a little by saying that God isn’t particular to how we worship Him; through dance or singing or by some other means, that’s not what He really wants.
Now that that’s out of the way; let go to the issue that everyone is waiting to hear about. Whether to have a group of “jumpers” to “encourage” those who want to jump, but are afraid to do so, to do so.
Let me start by saying that the opposite of faith is fear.
If someone is afraid that people will laugh at him or her when he or she jumps and succumbs to that fear then that is a display of unfaithfulness. I hope that gives everyone something to think about.
Let’s go back to passage above; the one from 2 Samuel 6 is precisely where the lines “I’ll be come even more undignified than this” comes from. That’s the inspiration for Matt Redman’s “Undignified” which we sang at Fusion; to which Reginald and gang added in some pretty crazy actions.
King David went crazy that day; when the ark was brought into Jerusalem; a linen ephod was like something like the undergarments of that day; King David was literally in his underwear! He went nuts; but did he care about the people staring at him? HE DIDN’T!
Did people ridicule Him? YES THEY DID! In fact; it was his own wife who despised him! That was when David said,
“I will be more lightly esteemed than this and will be humble in my own eyes, but with the maids of whom you have spoken, with them I will be distinguished” – 2 Samuel 6:22
And what happened to his wife? God cursed her to be barren and she died without bearing any children for King David.
I like what Rachel posted, “But you can’t just 'get' jumpers, that's so insincere don't you think? I think you should just make sure those who want to be enthusiastic for God have the courage to do so. Me for instance!”
And she overcame her fear didn’t she?
Courage is not the lack of fear; but the ability to overcome fear. And how do you do that? With faith. If you are afraid that people are going to laugh at you; then know that your dance offering will be honoured by God; and the laughter of those who mock you will receive their due from God; just like David’s wife.
There is a flip side to just dancing before the Lord; and this part is between you and God. God is the only one (besides yourself) who knows if you are really dancing for Him; or for the sake of showing off.
“I hate, I reject your festivals nor do I delight in your solemn assemblies. Even though you offer up to Me burnt offerings, I will not accept them; And I will not even look at the peace offerings of your fatlings. Take away from Me the noise of your songs; I will not even listen to the sound of your harps. But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.” – Amos 5:21-24
God is pretty angry in this passage don’t you think? Why? Reading my study Bible; it was mainly because Israel had been unfaithful to God. And if you continue reading that passage above; you will realise that when the Israelites were wondering in the dessert for 40 years, while they claimed to “worship God”, they also carried around idols of other gods.
What do we carry around as idols during corporate musical worship?
If I were to ask all of you this question I can predict answers like, “Homework lah, parents lah, money lah… etc etc”
Let me tell you what I think is an idol nowadays. The songs themselves.
Why the songs? Because a lot of us have a “favourite worship song” and when the song comes up during worship we get very excited and tend to be a bit more “enthusiastic”. I’ve led the song “running after you” twice in my life. Both time; when the intro is being played, I hear a loud, “WOO HOO!!!” from the congregation of youth. Why? Favourite song right? Easy to jump to right?
We have made the songs our idols; the lyrics, the 8th-beat clapping, the weird clapping timing (like after the bridge of “One Way”), the actions (like “This is how we overcome” or “Pharaoh Pharaoh”). What happens? We sometimes tend to concentrate more on the clapping and the lyrics etc rather than God. No wonder God “rejects” the “noise of our songs”.
I rather have 1000 youths who are sincerely stoning away than 1 youth who is jumping up and down but doing so insincerely.
So; to those who “want to jump but afraid to jump”. The onus lies on you to overcome your fear rather than a group of “encouragers”; this is church not the National Day Parade. We worship the Audience of One rather than being a “mass participation audience”.
And to those who want to “jump for the sake of jumping”. Think again. The Bible says God will not honour your sacrifice of praise. Better for you to sincerely stone away and contemplate with God first before you think of jumping again.
So in short, should we have a group of jumpers to encourage us to jump? I rather be encouraged by the songs we sing and the musical offerings we raise to God as acts of genuine worship.
This is my personal answer to the original questions that were brought up. However, many other smaller issues were raised in all the posts. I will attempt to address them in other posts. Unmoderated comments enabled.
Thursday, March 16, 2006
Time for another...
... recipe that is! Decided to post something a little bit more chinese this time. Tau Kwa with mince meat. Quite simple and a lot faster to cook than the other ang moh stuff.
Ingredients:
- Tau Kwa (2 big cubes)
- some mince meat (chicken or pork)
- Soya bean paste (soya souce also can)
- Hua Tiao Jiu (chinese cooking wine)
- Saseme oil
- Onions and garlic
Marinate the mince meat with the oil, wine and the bean paste. Let it soak for a a few hours. I prepared this in the morning, went to school came back home then cooked it. The longer you let it soak; the better.
Chop up the onions and garlic and fry them till brown.
Then add in the tau kwa (cube them first).
Fry until the outer skin of the tau kwa has been formed; then add in the mince meat.
QED
Ingredients:
- Tau Kwa (2 big cubes)
- some mince meat (chicken or pork)
- Soya bean paste (soya souce also can)
- Hua Tiao Jiu (chinese cooking wine)
- Saseme oil
- Onions and garlic
Marinate the mince meat with the oil, wine and the bean paste. Let it soak for a a few hours. I prepared this in the morning, went to school came back home then cooked it. The longer you let it soak; the better.
Chop up the onions and garlic and fry them till brown.
Then add in the tau kwa (cube them first).
Fry until the outer skin of the tau kwa has been formed; then add in the mince meat.
QED
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verses read: Jeremiah 25:1-14
prayer: 5 minutes
I’m sick; really sick. As in need medicine kind of sick. I’ve got not one but four ulcers on the underside of my tongue; a slight fever, a sore throat and my joints are aching. Worse of all; by back pain has relapsed. If I break out in rashes; I’m going straight to the hospital.
Not been to the gym the whole week thanks to this; hopefully I will get better by the weekend. But badminton is definitely out; so is the outing to east coast park by Ralph’s SG. I think the lethargy behind my whole body can be attributed to the fact that I didn’t go to the gym at all. Oh well. Got SG tomorrow night; new material, would see how things go.
prayer: 5 minutes
I’m sick; really sick. As in need medicine kind of sick. I’ve got not one but four ulcers on the underside of my tongue; a slight fever, a sore throat and my joints are aching. Worse of all; by back pain has relapsed. If I break out in rashes; I’m going straight to the hospital.
Not been to the gym the whole week thanks to this; hopefully I will get better by the weekend. But badminton is definitely out; so is the outing to east coast park by Ralph’s SG. I think the lethargy behind my whole body can be attributed to the fact that I didn’t go to the gym at all. Oh well. Got SG tomorrow night; new material, would see how things go.
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 24
prayer: 5 minutes
The last few chapters of Jeremiah have been very depressing to read; and I’m not even halfway through the book. It’s really all doom and gloom; well at least for 90% of what I’ve read so far. Very difficult to read.
Signed the letter of acceptance and MOE yesterday; so I’m on the way to becoming a teacher. And I guess like what the speaker at FT said yesterday; cannot go into this profession the same way I went into NS. That is to segment my life into two parts. Just doesn’t work that way for me anymore. Yesterday FT was a very good reminder of that.
Today; have 3 hours of Bahasa Indonesia class. Well; it’s quite a fun class! Problem is, even with my Peranakan background, I don’t have much flair for the language. Although the vocabulary is a lot easier.
prayer: 5 minutes
The last few chapters of Jeremiah have been very depressing to read; and I’m not even halfway through the book. It’s really all doom and gloom; well at least for 90% of what I’ve read so far. Very difficult to read.
Signed the letter of acceptance and MOE yesterday; so I’m on the way to becoming a teacher. And I guess like what the speaker at FT said yesterday; cannot go into this profession the same way I went into NS. That is to segment my life into two parts. Just doesn’t work that way for me anymore. Yesterday FT was a very good reminder of that.
Today; have 3 hours of Bahasa Indonesia class. Well; it’s quite a fun class! Problem is, even with my Peranakan background, I don’t have much flair for the language. Although the vocabulary is a lot easier.
Tuesday, March 14, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 23:33-40
prayer:10 minutes
I received an SMS something like every two hours last night, it sure broke my sleep. Quite irritating actually; I wonder why on earth people are awake at 4am on a school day and SMS something that I will obviously not reply to till morning. Worse still; I wonder why on earth I was so crazy to actually get up to read the messages!
Had a weird dream last night; dreamt of something or someone from my past; but when I woke up I realised that person never existed. Strange.
Today; I’m going to MOE to for a briefing session and to receive my letter of appointment. I wonder what will lie ahead of me come 19 June. Quite exciting actually!
prayer:10 minutes
I received an SMS something like every two hours last night, it sure broke my sleep. Quite irritating actually; I wonder why on earth people are awake at 4am on a school day and SMS something that I will obviously not reply to till morning. Worse still; I wonder why on earth I was so crazy to actually get up to read the messages!
Had a weird dream last night; dreamt of something or someone from my past; but when I woke up I realised that person never existed. Strange.
Today; I’m going to MOE to for a briefing session and to receive my letter of appointment. I wonder what will lie ahead of me come 19 June. Quite exciting actually!
Sunday, March 12, 2006
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verses read: Jeremiah 23:1-8
prayer: 5 minutes
Just got back from the opening night of Ignite; I feel very strange right now. Don’t know what to say; maybe I will have my thoughts better collected after tomorrow. Going to be quite a packed week ahead.
prayer: 5 minutes
Just got back from the opening night of Ignite; I feel very strange right now. Don’t know what to say; maybe I will have my thoughts better collected after tomorrow. Going to be quite a packed week ahead.
Friday, March 10, 2006
Rosti / Hashbrown...
Since I can't seem to sleep; decided to post another recipe today! Sorry Nat, it's another late night one. Anyway not sure if you want to call this a Rosti or a hashbrown or if they are actually the same thing. Anyway, the next time any of you are thinking of forking out $7 odd dollars at Marche for this, why don't you pass me the money instead and I will gladly make it for you!
Ingredients:
A few potatoes... nice big ones not those that have their skin already cleaned and are small... something like those inthe pic below:
Skin them and place them in a bowl of salt water... use a lot of the salt... it's not for taste... will explain later:
Grate them. I used a food processor with a grating attachment to speed things up a little. You can hand grate them if you wish, but it will take a long time!
Once grated, put them back into the salt water. And soak them for 20 minutes. The reason for using salt water is to extract the startch from the potato. Indeed, after about 20 minutes, there is a pretty thick layer of starch at the bottom of the bowl; be careful not to stir the whole thing or you will get glue! You will hardly taste any salt on the final product actually.
During the 20 minutes wait, I went to wash the food processor. After 20 minutes, the water should be quite thick, remove the potato shred and rinse them and queeze out as much water as possible. Hot frying pan plus water equals very bad idea and a lot of smoke. It will look and feel a lot like buangkuang (turnip) the stuff in popiah. Like that:
Now is the fun part. Melt some butter or heat up some oil in a pan. Grab a handfull of the potato and throw it into the frying pan. Spread it out into a cake that is about half a centimeter thick. Shake the pan quite vigourously so that the potato doesn't stick to the pan. Do this until the top is a little translucent; then you will know the bottom is quite cooked.
Now you have to flip it. Takes practice, I will advice watching cooking shows on how this is done. These pictures were taken during my fourth attemp at making rosti (or hashborwns or whatever), had quite a bit of failures is trying to flip the whole thing. Managed to get it right this time round. You need to jerk the frying pan foward and up; hopefully the rosti will leave the pan; fly up, make a complete flip and rest back into the pan nicely. Just cook until the bottom is nice and brown as well. The finished product should look like that:
So a little hard work can save you quite a bit of money at Marche... the $7 you pay there for the food can probably make about 20 of these at home! The amount of potatoes shown made about 4 of those cakes. Can serve plain or with mustard and sour cream.
Ingredients:
A few potatoes... nice big ones not those that have their skin already cleaned and are small... something like those inthe pic below:
Skin them and place them in a bowl of salt water... use a lot of the salt... it's not for taste... will explain later:
Grate them. I used a food processor with a grating attachment to speed things up a little. You can hand grate them if you wish, but it will take a long time!
Once grated, put them back into the salt water. And soak them for 20 minutes. The reason for using salt water is to extract the startch from the potato. Indeed, after about 20 minutes, there is a pretty thick layer of starch at the bottom of the bowl; be careful not to stir the whole thing or you will get glue! You will hardly taste any salt on the final product actually.
During the 20 minutes wait, I went to wash the food processor. After 20 minutes, the water should be quite thick, remove the potato shred and rinse them and queeze out as much water as possible. Hot frying pan plus water equals very bad idea and a lot of smoke. It will look and feel a lot like buangkuang (turnip) the stuff in popiah. Like that:
Now is the fun part. Melt some butter or heat up some oil in a pan. Grab a handfull of the potato and throw it into the frying pan. Spread it out into a cake that is about half a centimeter thick. Shake the pan quite vigourously so that the potato doesn't stick to the pan. Do this until the top is a little translucent; then you will know the bottom is quite cooked.
Now you have to flip it. Takes practice, I will advice watching cooking shows on how this is done. These pictures were taken during my fourth attemp at making rosti (or hashborwns or whatever), had quite a bit of failures is trying to flip the whole thing. Managed to get it right this time round. You need to jerk the frying pan foward and up; hopefully the rosti will leave the pan; fly up, make a complete flip and rest back into the pan nicely. Just cook until the bottom is nice and brown as well. The finished product should look like that:
So a little hard work can save you quite a bit of money at Marche... the $7 you pay there for the food can probably make about 20 of these at home! The amount of potatoes shown made about 4 of those cakes. Can serve plain or with mustard and sour cream.
090306
verses read: Jeremiah 21
prayer: 5 minutes
The IT fair was huge. Bought a CF card to expand the storage in my laptop; 1GB, would be enough to offload all my University files. Won’t be needing those soon, that will free up close to 1GB of space itself enough to load both Starcraft and Broodwars into my laptop. Will need a CD-ROM emulator as my laptop does not come with a CD-ROM installed and carrying the ultra-base is quite a chore. Decided that I’m going to make my laptop last as long as I can, so will need to format the whole hardisk soon; probably when I graduate and reload everything, so as to wipe out the viruses that are in it and start afresh. Expand the memory to 1GB; that should make the laptop last another 2 years at least.
Nintendo had their DS Lite on display. It really looks good and it’s not as bulky as the old one, or the PSP, major plus points. Plus the display is really much brighter than the old ones. Will be in Singapore in April; although Engadget reports are a lot less encouraging than that. Price wise, will be drawing quite a salary once I start NIE. But going to take my mom’s advice and save for at last 6 months to create a finance buffer so I won’t be stuck in debt. Will also be taking over two insurance plans that I have had since young, as well as part of the internet bill and the subscription to SSC. Even after giving back to the Lord; the remaining amount is still twice more that any allowance I’ve gotten before. Saving all that up would be nice for the future.
My eyesight has been deteriorating; I hope it due to the lack of sleep. But more likely due to reading in very bad lighting every night before sleeping. A few years back, my degree was zero in the left and 25 in the right. I’m pretty sure it’s a little higher now, maybe 25 to 50 in both eyes. Still see things very clearly; but my eyes get tired pretty fast nowadays.
Watched Braveheart just now; I usually watch the ending, this time I was able to watch from the beginning. I wonder; can someone you know from young grow up into the person you love in the future? Fairytales like that exist I’m sure; the older couples in church as a demonstration of that. God gave; but He also took away. Well; it’s almost been 3 months and it really disappeared fast. Still have a few more months to go before I will be done with what I promised the Lord.
prayer: 5 minutes
The IT fair was huge. Bought a CF card to expand the storage in my laptop; 1GB, would be enough to offload all my University files. Won’t be needing those soon, that will free up close to 1GB of space itself enough to load both Starcraft and Broodwars into my laptop. Will need a CD-ROM emulator as my laptop does not come with a CD-ROM installed and carrying the ultra-base is quite a chore. Decided that I’m going to make my laptop last as long as I can, so will need to format the whole hardisk soon; probably when I graduate and reload everything, so as to wipe out the viruses that are in it and start afresh. Expand the memory to 1GB; that should make the laptop last another 2 years at least.
Nintendo had their DS Lite on display. It really looks good and it’s not as bulky as the old one, or the PSP, major plus points. Plus the display is really much brighter than the old ones. Will be in Singapore in April; although Engadget reports are a lot less encouraging than that. Price wise, will be drawing quite a salary once I start NIE. But going to take my mom’s advice and save for at last 6 months to create a finance buffer so I won’t be stuck in debt. Will also be taking over two insurance plans that I have had since young, as well as part of the internet bill and the subscription to SSC. Even after giving back to the Lord; the remaining amount is still twice more that any allowance I’ve gotten before. Saving all that up would be nice for the future.
My eyesight has been deteriorating; I hope it due to the lack of sleep. But more likely due to reading in very bad lighting every night before sleeping. A few years back, my degree was zero in the left and 25 in the right. I’m pretty sure it’s a little higher now, maybe 25 to 50 in both eyes. Still see things very clearly; but my eyes get tired pretty fast nowadays.
Watched Braveheart just now; I usually watch the ending, this time I was able to watch from the beginning. I wonder; can someone you know from young grow up into the person you love in the future? Fairytales like that exist I’m sure; the older couples in church as a demonstration of that. God gave; but He also took away. Well; it’s almost been 3 months and it really disappeared fast. Still have a few more months to go before I will be done with what I promised the Lord.
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
9131 days...
that's 25 years in days including the leap years. One quarter of a century old. Yeah... I'm feeling old today; as usual. Well; going to spend my birthday in it's usual way; go to school and go for CG at night. Will update this post as I find the time to do so. Been up all morning making a lagsane; a special meal to go along with my birthday.
080306
verses read: Jeremiah 20:7-18
prayer: 5 minutes
Nothing really spectacular happened today. But well; tomorrow I will be going to the IT fair. Don’t think I will buy anything though. Nintendo will be showing off their DS Lite at Suntec, that’s about the only thing that’s going to interest me. The PSP is surely better than the DS lite; but the PSP has way too many features that I will not be using.
Too spoilt for choice nowadays. Will be spending the rest of the day archiving my old files; hard to believe that I’ve only got about 2GB of free space left on my laptop in both drives combined! Hopefully I can clear a nice amount of space so that I can load in Starcraft into my computer. With what we are going to receive from church; I don’t mind putting my spare router there. The wireless is gone; but the Ethernet ports are still active; with enough laptops we can set up a LAN shop in church; once the church is building is complete that is and if everyone agrees with the allocation of room space.
Lagsane
Well, here is what I cooked up today. Most of it was taken from the Look Who's cooking DVD, so the parts which are taken from there; please refer to the DVD instead. Moving pictures better than stills.
The lagsane basically has 3 parts. The tomato based sauce; the cheese sauce and the pasta itself. I made the cheese sauce totally according to what was in the DVD, and yeah... it was super rich! Will give all the taste you will ever need for whole dish! So as a result; you can actually make the tomato sauce with salt.
Tomato Sauce
I decided on a vegetarian version of the tomato based sauce instead of the usual meat based one. Am trying to cut down on meat a little. Here are the ingredients:
- Tomatoes
- Mushrooms
- Onions
- Carrots
- Celery
- Garlic
- One can of tomato puree
Chop all the vegies up into small cubes like this:
Fry the vegies (but not the tomatoes and mushrooms) in olive oil and butter until it's really soft and half it's initial size. There should be a little liquid in the frying pan by this time.
I only added the mushrooms at this stage; add a little water so that the whole thing is not so dry. One the mushrooms are half their initial size then throw in the tomatoes and the puree.
Simmer until the tomato sauce is thick.
Pasta sheets:
One egg
150g of flour
I suggest you attempt making your own pasta only if you can get a pasta machine; or else, you will be kneading for about 2 hours. This is quite simple, make a well in the flour, pour in the egg and combine until you get a soft but not sticky dough. The pasta machine is really useful to get it to the right consistency.
I used a pasta machine to get roll it into large flat sheets.
Basically, once it's at this point, you can shape the pasta into a variety of shapes. It took me about 4 tries before I was able to do this well, but it worth the effort and one packet of flour and a dozen eggs is equivalent to about 4 or 5 packets of dried pasta. So quite a lot of savings there.
From this point on, as I stated earlier, I made the cheese sauce exactly according to Bishop's recipe. I also stacked the lagsane the way it was shown in the DVD. If you haven't got a copy of the DVD... then do your part and donate to the church building fun! There are an over abundant supply of DVDs in the church office; just go there and purchase one!
Here is the end result; I will risk a bigger picture here:
Not much of a birthday meal; but since I made it myself; very self-gratifying! :) As for the pasta machine; it used to belong to my aunt, so don't ask where I got it from! I last heard that you might be able to find one at Robinsons; but I've yet to check it out. If you really want one; there is something called eBay.
080306
verses read: Jeremiah 20:7-18
prayer: 5 minutes
Nothing really spectacular happened today. But well; tomorrow I will be going to the IT fair. Don’t think I will buy anything though. Nintendo will be showing off their DS Lite at Suntec, that’s about the only thing that’s going to interest me. The PSP is surely better than the DS lite; but the PSP has way too many features that I will not be using.
Too spoilt for choice nowadays. Will be spending the rest of the day archiving my old files; hard to believe that I’ve only got about 2GB of free space left on my laptop in both drives combined! Hopefully I can clear a nice amount of space so that I can load in Starcraft into my computer. With what we are going to receive from church; I don’t mind putting my spare router there. The wireless is gone; but the Ethernet ports are still active; with enough laptops we can set up a LAN shop in church; once the church is building is complete that is and if everyone agrees with the allocation of room space.
Lagsane
Well, here is what I cooked up today. Most of it was taken from the Look Who's cooking DVD, so the parts which are taken from there; please refer to the DVD instead. Moving pictures better than stills.
The lagsane basically has 3 parts. The tomato based sauce; the cheese sauce and the pasta itself. I made the cheese sauce totally according to what was in the DVD, and yeah... it was super rich! Will give all the taste you will ever need for whole dish! So as a result; you can actually make the tomato sauce with salt.
Tomato Sauce
I decided on a vegetarian version of the tomato based sauce instead of the usual meat based one. Am trying to cut down on meat a little. Here are the ingredients:
- Tomatoes
- Mushrooms
- Onions
- Carrots
- Celery
- Garlic
- One can of tomato puree
Chop all the vegies up into small cubes like this:
Fry the vegies (but not the tomatoes and mushrooms) in olive oil and butter until it's really soft and half it's initial size. There should be a little liquid in the frying pan by this time.
I only added the mushrooms at this stage; add a little water so that the whole thing is not so dry. One the mushrooms are half their initial size then throw in the tomatoes and the puree.
Simmer until the tomato sauce is thick.
Pasta sheets:
One egg
150g of flour
I suggest you attempt making your own pasta only if you can get a pasta machine; or else, you will be kneading for about 2 hours. This is quite simple, make a well in the flour, pour in the egg and combine until you get a soft but not sticky dough. The pasta machine is really useful to get it to the right consistency.
I used a pasta machine to get roll it into large flat sheets.
Basically, once it's at this point, you can shape the pasta into a variety of shapes. It took me about 4 tries before I was able to do this well, but it worth the effort and one packet of flour and a dozen eggs is equivalent to about 4 or 5 packets of dried pasta. So quite a lot of savings there.
From this point on, as I stated earlier, I made the cheese sauce exactly according to Bishop's recipe. I also stacked the lagsane the way it was shown in the DVD. If you haven't got a copy of the DVD... then do your part and donate to the church building fun! There are an over abundant supply of DVDs in the church office; just go there and purchase one!
Here is the end result; I will risk a bigger picture here:
Not much of a birthday meal; but since I made it myself; very self-gratifying! :) As for the pasta machine; it used to belong to my aunt, so don't ask where I got it from! I last heard that you might be able to find one at Robinsons; but I've yet to check it out. If you really want one; there is something called eBay.
Tuesday, March 07, 2006
070306
verses read: Jeremiah 20:1-6
prayer: 5 minutes
It’s going to be my birthday tomorrow. 25 years. I’m getting really old. Went to get a birthday present for myself today. A new guitar; a classical one from Maestro. Friends there gave me quite a nice discount; it has a B-band pickup, this will be my spare guitar to my Taylor. And of course; if there is a need for anyone to use; I will lend this one instead.
prayer: 5 minutes
It’s going to be my birthday tomorrow. 25 years. I’m getting really old. Went to get a birthday present for myself today. A new guitar; a classical one from Maestro. Friends there gave me quite a nice discount; it has a B-band pickup, this will be my spare guitar to my Taylor. And of course; if there is a need for anyone to use; I will lend this one instead.
Monday, March 06, 2006
T.P.J.C.
A friend from VCF told told me there are a lot of youth in his church from TPJC. And they gave it an interesting acronym... will put it here for all you TPJCians who have accedentally found this post by technorati or something... and as well as the great number of youths in PMC who are from the The Perfect Junior College. Anyway...
Touching People for Jesus Christ
Cool huh?
And it dawned on my that every college, if we just use our imaginations, can definately come up with some acronym to reflect something about Jesus. (Since JC can also stand for Jesus Christ) So Bert... try come up with something... since you are such a hardcore VJCian...
(PS: lest someone mistakes me for an ACJCian again (which to me is an insult of the higest order) ... let me say that I'm NOT from ACJC but from TPJC!)
Touching People for Jesus Christ
Cool huh?
And it dawned on my that every college, if we just use our imaginations, can definately come up with some acronym to reflect something about Jesus. (Since JC can also stand for Jesus Christ) So Bert... try come up with something... since you are such a hardcore VJCian...
(PS: lest someone mistakes me for an ACJCian again (which to me is an insult of the higest order) ... let me say that I'm NOT from ACJC but from TPJC!)
050306
verses read: Jeremiah 18
prayer: 5 minutes
Feeling old. Real old. And handing out with the BB guys is good; because they are all my age. Had a lot of fun at tonight’s party; and being forfeited to set up the fire, a job I actually volunteered for. Those guys are fast man when it comes to games man! And they are all really complicated ones as well!
Going to buy by birthday present by the next rehearsal. A new classical guitar with pickups. Something I’ve not had and something that is way long in coming. Will be putting my classical in church permanently so that all can use it. Of course that will be when the church building is complete. More stickers on my guitars would be nice.
Saturday, March 04, 2006
030306
verses read: Jeremiah 17:1-18
prayer: 5 minutes
I’ve not gone to the gym the whole week. Been burning the midnight oil… or even the 5am oil just to complete my thesis. Well that is done now. So next week; it’s back to working out. Watched an episode of “The Biggest loser” just now; I feel quite sad for them actually. Same situation; but they have to help themselves.
Tomorrow’s game of badminton will be quite late; have to leave early got to attend a wedding. And as a result; I will be missing one Bible Study. There will be no exceptions to the leaders of One Voice; we will be subjected to the same rule. So if I miss more than three; I will leave the team as per the commitment as well. No exceptions. But well; will be going one day, it’s just a matter of when.
prayer: 5 minutes
I’ve not gone to the gym the whole week. Been burning the midnight oil… or even the 5am oil just to complete my thesis. Well that is done now. So next week; it’s back to working out. Watched an episode of “The Biggest loser” just now; I feel quite sad for them actually. Same situation; but they have to help themselves.
Tomorrow’s game of badminton will be quite late; have to leave early got to attend a wedding. And as a result; I will be missing one Bible Study. There will be no exceptions to the leaders of One Voice; we will be subjected to the same rule. So if I miss more than three; I will leave the team as per the commitment as well. No exceptions. But well; will be going one day, it’s just a matter of when.
Thursday, March 02, 2006
Baked fish
Stef requested this post; unfortunately for Nat; I'm posting at night again... so here is a reciped that is 70% ripped from one of Jamie Oliver's shows. Will tell you the outcome later.
Here are the ingredients:
- Fish (just buy some sutchi fillets from NTUC, really cheap)
- Fresh mint leaves
- Fresh herbs (managed to fine thyme and rosemary at Cold Storage)
- Dried herbs (you can get these at any supermarket)
- Salt and Pepper
- 1 red onion
- Some asparagus
- Lemon juice
- Olive oil
Season the fish with the dried herbs, (I used mixed italian herbs, oregano and dill weed) salt and pepper. Rub it in both sides.
Place the fresh herbs and the red onion on the fish as follows.
Lay the asparagus out like a base for the fish to sit on. Sandwhich all th fish together; like that:
Squeeze some lemon and add some olive oil into the whole thing and wrap in aluminion foil and leave it in the fridge for a few hours. This will let the flavour soak into the fish.
Bake until cooked.
Unfrotunately for me; this turned out to be a disaster. What happened was that I underestimated the amount of time needed to cook the fish. So; the top piece of fish tasted really good; but the bottom layers were uncooked. So I had to pan fry it. Also, I realised I added way too much mint leaves, killed the taste of the fish after I fried it. So lesson to learn; use less mint leaves and baked for a much longer time!
Here are the ingredients:
- Fish (just buy some sutchi fillets from NTUC, really cheap)
- Fresh mint leaves
- Fresh herbs (managed to fine thyme and rosemary at Cold Storage)
- Dried herbs (you can get these at any supermarket)
- Salt and Pepper
- 1 red onion
- Some asparagus
- Lemon juice
- Olive oil
Season the fish with the dried herbs, (I used mixed italian herbs, oregano and dill weed) salt and pepper. Rub it in both sides.
Place the fresh herbs and the red onion on the fish as follows.
Lay the asparagus out like a base for the fish to sit on. Sandwhich all th fish together; like that:
Squeeze some lemon and add some olive oil into the whole thing and wrap in aluminion foil and leave it in the fridge for a few hours. This will let the flavour soak into the fish.
Bake until cooked.
Unfrotunately for me; this turned out to be a disaster. What happened was that I underestimated the amount of time needed to cook the fish. So; the top piece of fish tasted really good; but the bottom layers were uncooked. So I had to pan fry it. Also, I realised I added way too much mint leaves, killed the taste of the fish after I fried it. So lesson to learn; use less mint leaves and baked for a much longer time!
010308
verses read: Jeremiah 15
prayer: 5 minutes
Now I can truly say that it’s over! I’ve printed all the required copies of my thesis; just need to submit them to the math department tomorrow. Hopefully I will be allowed to make amendments to it after the first submission; as in really major amendments or else my thesis will be pretty bare.
*paragraph censored for the same reasons some of our Podcasts don't make it online*
I’ve always enjoyed attending this year’s CG, really fun to attend nowadays. Wish some arts people were around today to see what the science people discuss about during CG. There is CG next Wednesday; hoped to go quietly without notice; unfortunately there are those “sunflower shine for Christ” reminders.
It’s scary, it is already March. I’m going to be a quarter of a century old in a week. Talk about feeling old. Interestingly the movie version of Rent will be opening on 23 March, which is exactly the one year anniversary of Falling Spinning. It’s M18; wished it were R21; hopefully it still won’t be censored too much.
Wednesday, March 01, 2006
280206
verses read: Jeremiah 14
prayer: 5 minutes
I now can say that I’ve completed my thesis. At least the bulk of the it. All the needed results have been proved. A bit shorter than what I expected; only 34 pages. Well, there are ways to “expand” the number of pages used. Well; tomorrow is going to be a long day. Got test and then CG. Then when I return home, I will have to do a massive print job. 3 copies of my thesis have to submitted to the math department by 5pm on Thursday. After that; going to take a huge breather for a few days.
Hardly slept last night; burned the midnight oil; then took a “short nap”; that lasted like 3 hours. When I woke up from my nap it was 6am already. Have been working all day on just ONE single proof. Took me much longer than expected and when the answer finally came; I kind of felt a little stupid. Loss about 50 strands of hair trying to solve today’s problem. Going to be bald real soon.
prayer: 5 minutes
I now can say that I’ve completed my thesis. At least the bulk of the it. All the needed results have been proved. A bit shorter than what I expected; only 34 pages. Well, there are ways to “expand” the number of pages used. Well; tomorrow is going to be a long day. Got test and then CG. Then when I return home, I will have to do a massive print job. 3 copies of my thesis have to submitted to the math department by 5pm on Thursday. After that; going to take a huge breather for a few days.
Hardly slept last night; burned the midnight oil; then took a “short nap”; that lasted like 3 hours. When I woke up from my nap it was 6am already. Have been working all day on just ONE single proof. Took me much longer than expected and when the answer finally came; I kind of felt a little stupid. Loss about 50 strands of hair trying to solve today’s problem. Going to be bald real soon.
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